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  • Why all the straddles?

    I've been noticing more and more over time, both on streams and in casinos, that games tend to become auto/mandatory straddle games.

    It's hard, and maybe even wrong, to be the only guy not straddling if everyone else is doing it and it's expected, but combined with the fact that people are also playing "deep" and suddenly you don't have a 2/5 game but a 5/10 game. And the thing is, there are 5/10 games being spread. You could just sit in one of those. And if those are being auto/mandatory straddled, then there could also be 10/20 games spread for the people who want it, or whatever.

    Why are so many people preferring to be in a lower game and straddle instead of just being in a higher game? Especially when it's not once in a while but constant?

  • #2
    isn't it obvious why?

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    • #3
      no. tell me.

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      • #4
        they don't know how to play. I wish I could find a game like that to crush.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by sumdimfarc View Post
          they don't know how to play. I wish I could find a game like that to crush.
          any live game i've ever been in. but the ones in texas especially.

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          • #6
            1. They have little to no awareness of the strategic differences caused by a straddle
            2. They know it makes bigger pots and they like to gamble
            3. They don't just play the higher stakes because they assume (rightly or wrongly) that the higher stakes players are better, so while they want to play higher stakes, they don't want to sacrifice their edge to do so (whether or not they actually have an edge....only you can determine :P )

            It can be frustrating, particularly if we're tight against our bankroll. But once you have the roll to stomach it, these are the best games. Look at the above 3 explanation for their incessant straddling, do any of those three things, or any explanation you can think of scream that's a shark you need to avoid? They got balls but no brains, take em to the streets. I would argue maybeeeeee 5-10% of serial straddlers are sharks preying upon the weaker low stakes players by forcing pots bigger than they're comfortable with, with a huge edge, maybe.

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            • Dilly
              Dilly commented
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              Side note, this assume UTG straddle, if you're in a game with Mississippi button straddle, and everyone's doing it, you need to do it also lol

          • #7
            When you post the BB, you are starting your equity at -100BB/100. Players strive to only play better than -50/100 after posting the BB. Now imagine starting off at -200bbs/100. There is really no way anyone if profiting from straddling. Where you do profit is when you are in later position.

            And correct me if I'm wrong, in a casino you can never be forced to straddle if you don't want to. I would never mind being the 1 player who doesn't straddle. I'm not there to make anyone else happy. I'm there to win.

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            • #8
              Originally posted by jjpregler View Post
              And correct me if I'm wrong, in a casino you can never be forced to straddle if you don't want to. I would never mind being the 1 player who doesn't straddle. I'm not there to make anyone else happy. I'm there to win.
              I have up to now made a point of saying, once the straddle gets going and reaches me "if everyone else straddles all the way around, I will straddle too, but if one person breaks it, I won't do it either." Usually there are a couple other people who don't want to, so then I don't, but there have been times when I'm the only one, so then I do (and just figure it's become a 5/10 game, at least until someone breaks it).

              But that's part of why I'm asking. It's certainly not a rule but there are some unwritten obligations...I'm trying to decide if this is one of them.

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              • jjpregler
                jjpregler commented
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                No. As I have already written, I am perfectly fine being the only player who doesn't straddle. I don't care. I'm not there to be their friend, I am there to take their money. If they all hate me for that fine. I don't care. If they don't like that they straddle and I don't, well guess what, they don't have to straddle either.

              • Dilly
                Dilly commented
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                Really becomes more of a factor if you plan on getting to a point in your poker career where ability to cultivate and be invited to games really matters, which I would say it does at live 5/10 and higher, take that as you will. It's unlikely one non-straddler would break a game, but if the loosest biggest whales in your room start to avoid you because you don't straddle or you don't give enough action, it's not an optimal meta game situation

            • #9
              Is there particular reason you have against straddling? Not eager to straddle is one thing, but if you can't ? my guess is you aren't any good anyway. If everyone straddles, does it matter if you do or don't? I thought people who straddle make game better.
              Last edited by sumdimfarc; 04-24-2021, 12:35 AM.

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              • jjpregler
                jjpregler commented
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                It is highly -cEV to post a straddle. If you have a HUD, look at your BB statistics. You are losing chips from the BB, because you are forced to post a blind bet. Now double that when you straddle.

              • NJpokermike36
                NJpokermike36 commented
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                I don't think it makes the game better, but it does make the game play bigger. It creates a lot more action because of all the dead money in the pot.

                Thanks!

              • sumdimfarc
                sumdimfarc commented
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                something not adding up. If it is -ev, then you are loving life. if you struggle, there you have it - why they do it. If you do win, you want to be giving action, not hoodie headphone, playing tight.
                Last edited by sumdimfarc; 04-24-2021, 10:34 AM.

            • #10
              " not there to be their friend, I am there to take their money. "


              - That is ugly and terrible advice.

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              • NJpokermike36
                NJpokermike36 commented
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                Cal42628 I have no idea what you are talking about. I am responding to you saying " not there to be their friend, I am there to take their money. " is terrible advice. That is all.

                Thanks!

              • NJpokermike36
                NJpokermike36 commented
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                Cal42628 No I was not the one with the idea of pros taking other pros quizzes.

                Thanks!

              • RCMorea
                RCMorea commented
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                I was the one who said each quiz should be taken by a second pro, to see how much of it is "correct" and how much of it is more like opinion.

            • #11
              ok, my bad. : ) back to the point I was making, its a pyramid scheme. Most winning players don't make anything. Be honest, I know you felt this in back of your head before, poker players are the dumbest.
              Last edited by Cal42628; 04-25-2021, 11:28 AM.

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              • #12
                Originally posted by Cal42628 View Post
                ok, my bad. : ) back to the point I was making, its a pyramid scheme. Most winning players don't make anything. Be honest, I know you left this in back of your head before, poker players are the dumbest.
                OK well maybe you should take up checkers instead.

                Thanks!

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                • NJpokermike36
                  NJpokermike36 commented
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                  No I could tell them about loser

                • Cal42628
                  Cal42628 commented
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                  Edit by moderator - Insult to another member
                  Last edited by jjpregler; 04-26-2021, 05:49 AM.

                • NJpokermike36
                  NJpokermike36 commented
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                  Edit by moderator: name calling.
                  Last edited by jjpregler; 04-26-2021, 05:24 AM.

              • #13
                Ok, this is a warning to the whole thread, it is starting to borderline on me having to shut the thread down.

                It's ok to disagree, but keep the discourse civil.

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                • Cal42628
                  Cal42628 commented
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                  if straddling is so -ev, why wouldn't you straddle just to keep it going. Why would you want them to stop?

              • #14
                I never straddle in a casino, it's not smart and the gamblers will gamble whether I join in or not. I can honestly say I straddled exactly once many years ago. Even before I had barely a clue about poker I knew that it was lighting money on fire.

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