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  • how i bullied a villian

    here I only played my range vs villians range

    by just calling the flop bet on this scary board villian capped his range

    i had enough effective chips to risk villians whole tournament life for a nice overbet and it finally worked out

    Hold'em No Limit - 200/400 (50 ante) - 8 players

    UTG (Hero): 30,935 (77 bb)
    UTG+1: 2,148 (5 bb)
    MP: 3,900 (10 bb)
    MP+1: 18,891 (47 bb)
    CO: 23,532 (59 bb)
    BU: 6,702 (17 bb)
    SB: 12,840 (32 bb)
    BB: 8,740 (22 bb)

    Pre-Flop: (1,000) Hero is UTG with T♥ A♥
    Hero raises to 940, 2 players fold, MP+1 calls 940, 4 players fold

    Flop: (2,880) 4♦ 6♦ 7♣ (2 players)
    Hero bets 2,000, MP+1 calls 2,000

    Turn: (6,880) 3♠ (2 players)
    Hero bets 27,945 (all-in), MP+1 folds

    Total pot: 6,880
    UTG (Hero) wins 6,880


    how you like my line and how would you have played the hand ?

  • #2
    solver says

    preflop open raise 100%

    flop check 100% of the time

    if you bet, bet small

    (i remember i first wanted to check because i know how solver would love me to check) but then i considered my massive range advanatge and nut advanatge and i opted to bet big )

    on the turn solver would check 100% but going all in has ony roughly 15% less EV

    although i made 2 small mistakes but still +EV lines I played at a word class level : )



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    • #3
      Question for you, not rhetorical, actually think about it - why is the solver recommending a check or a small bet on this flop?

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      • #4
        Take with a grain of salt, I'm mainly studying deep cash.

        If we're going off the ranges from Pokercoaching, you don't have a massive range advantage here.

        If we open our 75BB range (which doesn't make much sense,) we have ~49% Eq.
        If we open our 40BB range (which makes a little more sense,) we have ~52% Eq.
        If we open our 25BB range (which makes most sense, BB is who we're most likely to be up against,) we have ~47% Eq.

        Based on that, I agree with the solver betting makes little sense here without a read. We're not blocking anything in his continuing range except TT. We have some showdown value. We're bloating the pot when we get called with a hand that will be in rough shape OOP on most turns.

        I think my strategy would be:



        Or:



        When you bet that large on the flop, Villain can respond:





        Your sizing literally forces them to play perfectly, It's easy to defend flop at MDF on the flop, and you're forcing an SPR of 2 on the turn, which should incentivize them to slow play the flop. Plus if they're thinking and realize you're out of line like this, you're going to get reallllly screwed.

        I honestly see no merit to your line, you're stepping wayyyy out of line to get 23% of Villain's range (TT-88) to incorrectly fold, and if your opponent makes a "mistake" and calls with those pairs, or their good diamond draws that either have as much as 30% Eq or have you crushed, you're still not really benefiting.

        I would really rethink this one.

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        • Dilly
          Dilly commented
          Editing a comment
          I actually made an error here, on the flop he has to defend 60% of his range so he would have to call all AQ, not a big difference though.

      • #5
        I'm a calling station. Take it from me, not a great move Agree with the above

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        • #6
          The villian mp1 had a cold call percentage of 23 over a significant samplesize

          Utg is still utg . Therefore i have a range and a nut Advantage

          If you have a range and a nut advantage you are supposed to bet big

          So lets say villian flats with a range that is way too wide and i want to punish him with a +ev 2 times betting too big line

          This is risky but it works often enough

          I am risking his mtt life

          His range Was capped i think although i bet quite big on the flop and we are not very deep stacked, would he just call the flop with 44, 66, 77 , kk , aa for instance ?

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          • #7
            If you are opening the same exact range UTG 8 handed compared to 9 handed you are making an error, albeit a small one. Is UTG 6 handed the same as UTG 9 handed? It's not, UTG 6 handed is the LJ, UTG 7 handed is UTG+2, UTG 8 handed is UTG+1.

            If you take what Villain should be calling, and expand it to 20% calling range (mind you he isn't going to be calling that wide in every position assuming that's his global cold call percentage,) we have a 53% Eq advantage. We have the range and nut advantage, but not enough that we should be c-betting our whole range large, which is basically what you're doing if you're betting the AT.

            So we're taking a purely exploitative route, and with a much wider range, he definitely will have a harder time, but we're not accomplishing much, most of what he is folding we are already beating, we aren't really cleaning up much equity.

            His range is not capped, when you bet that large, you create an SPR of 2 on the turn, and he's in position, so he doesn't need to raise his premium hands on the turn to get all the money in by the river. He could very easily be calling with all of his sets and over-pairs. Not only the SPR but you're representing such a strong hand, he can expect you to barrel....so why would he raise you and risk you folding your bluffs or worse made hands?

            I see what you're going for it just seems like more risk than reward. I don't even think the flop sizing is the big issue though, it's an issue to go that big with your whole range. If you used the strategy I outlined in my first post, you're still betting 2/3 pot 46% of the time, with a polarized range including bluffs with reasonable Eq. He's still in a terrible spot with his too wide range, and you're way less exploitable.

            The turn sizing is just bad. If he over-folded the flop, he can now easilyyyyyy defend 30% of his range which is the MDF you forced on him....unless you're trying to get him to fold overpairs or sets, which I think is insanely optimistic.

            If you know for sure your opponent is too wide, and you know for sure he would float flop perfectly to a smaller bet but will over-fold to a large bet, and you know for sure he would raise flop with his nuts, and you know for sure that he will fold his premium hands to your over-bet turn some of the time, and you know for sure that while executing these strategies he hasn't realized you're getting way out of line, then yes, you made a world class exploitative play.
            Last edited by Dilly; 10-26-2020, 12:12 AM.

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            • #8
              Originally posted by Guido View Post
              The villian mp1 had a cold call percentage of 23 over a significant samplesize

              Utg is still utg . Therefore i have a range and a nut Advantage

              If you have a range and a nut advantage you are supposed to bet big

              So lets say villian flats with a range that is way too wide and i want to punish him with a +ev 2 times betting too big line

              This is risky but it works often enough

              I am risking his mtt life

              His range Was capped i think although i bet quite big on the flop and we are not very deep stacked, would he just call the flop with 44, 66, 77 , kk , aa for instance ?
              You do not have the nut advantage. 77, 66, 44, 76s, A5s and even 33 are in a preflop calling range. 33 might even call OTF for the gutshot. 44 and maybe even 66 may not be in your UTG open raising range.

              You may not have the range advantage, either. You'll have big cards more often, so this flop doesn't hit your range really hard. Your opponents range is capped in that he didn't 3bet you pre, but that only leaves out AA, KK, QQ, and then maybe JJ and TT.

              There are a couple of reasons the solver is saying GTO is to check 100% or if you bet, you bet small. Its because you do not have the nut advantage. You can get checkraised and only lose a little. By betting big, you are actually incentivizing 2p and sets to smooth call and wait to jam your bet on the turn. Also, if you have a strong value hand - like an overpair - are you going to want your opponent out of the pot with a big bet or get him calling with small bets? Another reason to bet small.

              The chances of you having a strong hand against an opponent with a strong but second best hand are slim. Your range wants to be small so your opponent will think of calling with hands like 88 or floating with KQ.

              Your big bets look suspicious. It was lucky your opponent apparently didn't have a hand.

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              • #9
                Ok you guys have convinced me

                utg 9 handed is not utg 8 handed

                We dont have the nut advantage ! . 77, 66, 44, 76s, A5s and even 33 are in a preflop calling range. 33 might even call OTF for the gutshot. 44 and maybe even 66 may not be in my UTG open raising range.

                His range is not capped postflop when i bet this large on this quite small spr

                dont try to be more clever than a solver

                Thx Guys

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                • #10
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                  Last edited by PeterVetry; 11-16-2020, 04:06 AM.

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