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  • Has anyone paid for coaching?

    Its something i have been thinking about for a while now and was looking to find out what peoples thoughts are about getting coaching and if you have had coaching could you share any experiences about it and would you recommend it thanks

  • #2
    One on one coaching or group?
    I would go group coaching before 1 on 1. 1 on 1 is expensive and something you really want to do for a specific situation after learning and studying a lot. You would pay and ask the coach to review a whole tournament or say something you know you are weak at like big blind defence etc.

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    • #3
      You should get one on one. Sometimes while reading people 's posts , Id be thinking ' wow, he's gone ... '

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      • #4
        I've done a few one on one sessions in the past.

        It was useful for me because I went into it knowing what I wanted to get out of it.

        I was crap at finding and fixing my own leaks so this is what we focused on.

        I sent my coach a 30min game tape of me playing and commentating, and then my most recent 30k hands or so.

        He was then able to find some big leaks in my game, as well as showing me how he found them, and was then able to give me work to do, both at the tables and away from it, in order to plug my leaks.

        It is expensive though.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by LondonImp View Post
          I've done a few one on one sessions in the past.

          It was useful for me because I went into it knowing what I wanted to get out of it.

          I was crap at finding and fixing my own leaks so this is what we focused on.

          I sent my coach a 30min game tape of me playing and commentating, and then my most recent 30k hands or so.

          He was then able to find some big leaks in my game, as well as showing me how he found them, and was then able to give me work to do, both at the tables and away from it, in order to plug my leaks.

          It is expensive though.

          Thanks i think thats something i would like is for someone to go through my database and find leaks then help me fix them and find others

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          • #6
            Doesn't HM still have the add on app Leakbuster?

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            • LondonImp
              LondonImp commented
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              If it's anything like the leaktracker in PT4 it's fairly useless. Unless you're doing something horrendously wrong but if you're studying then that shouldn't really be happening.

            • Bentley
              Bentley commented
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              Yeah, you have to define your own filters for leaks. There are a few guides online. The out of the box filters are just average. That is all a coach is doing if they look at your database anyway

          • #7
            CrazyEddie Reloaded

            Yeah, you're totally right. [EDIT: prior to deleting your post for some reason...]

            And it's not always hiring the "best" coach either.

            Clearly Jonathan Little is a far better player than Sky Matsuhashi (my previous coach) - but then I am nowhere near good enough to take advantage of JL's depth of knowledge and I would be better suited to pay about 1/5 of the cost and go with Sky instead.
            Last edited by LondonImp; 09-08-2020, 09:07 AM.

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            • #8
              Aside from coaching, just being part of a study group can really help.

              I led my first session recently and it meant I had to work so hard to try and learn all the material knowing I'd then have to explain it well enough for other people to understand.

              Disclaimer: I did a fairly awful job, and it probably benefited nobody other than myself, but that in itself was a learning experience.

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              • #9
                at the top, people write that you need to study in a group, but the brain works differently, sometimes a person cannot be attentive when there are a lot of people and will have to pay even more for individual lessons, first analyze how you perceive the information better, and then choose a coach

                the answer to the question - I did not take a paid coach, my best friend and practice helped me

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                • #10
                  Originally posted by LondonImp View Post
                  Aside from coaching, just being part of a study group can really help.

                  I led my first session recently and it meant I had to work so hard to try and learn all the material knowing I'd then have to explain it well enough for other people to understand.

                  Disclaimer: I did a fairly awful job, and it probably benefited nobody other than myself, but that in itself was a learning experience.
                  I know a guy who found one INEXPENSIVE trainer on the Internet, got into terrible debt, but he went to study with him.
                  When I asked what exactly they are using, he sent this tutorial

                  1. We will lay the necessary mathematical foundations for a stable profitable game
                  2. Let's sort out the preflop game, covering all the "dark places";
                  3. We will analyze in detail when and with what to bet post-flop, which will add consistency to your decision-making;
                  4. Let's bring logical thinking to the level of the best high stakes players;
                  5. We will master the TRP strategy of the game, which is a pass to expensive games;
                  6. Learn to use the opponents' leaks at the tables, maximizing your EV;
                  7. Significantly improve the blinds strategy that eats up all your expectations;
                  8. We will learn how to effectively use poker software, gaining an advantage in development over rivals;
                  9. We will increase the value of time, your most important resource.

                  I don’t know if it’s worth paying the last money for this information or is it still worth continuing to practice on your own and work on your own mistakes

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                • #11
                  dude, you're wrong, I'm just sharing what could help someone not fall for some false teacher

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                  • #12
                    You need a coach for a while. It doesn't matter if he is paid or just your more experienced friend. And then learn yourself. Only practice will make you strong.

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                    • #13
                      I have paid for coaching from two coaches.

                      The first, last year, was a cash game coach I found through another training site. The coaching was uninspiring. I would send him a list of hand histories, and they would go through them a lot like we go through a hand history from a forum post. It was not very illuminating; I could have learned just as much from posting those hands to Two Plus Two. They didn't teach; they didn't point out leaks to fix; they didn't give me any training tasks. They were very uninspiring, and I wound up dropping them after the third session.

                      This year, I am getting tournament coaching from Carlos Welch (I had gotten a referral through Alex Fitzgerald's newsletter.) Carlos is an engaged and engaging teacher. He started me out with his syllabus, and then we started going through hands from a particular tournament I sent to him. He actively looks for leaks to plug and points out opportunities to win more. Every session he picks out a spot and dives into it in detail, explaining how he sees it working and what I can do to take better advantage of it. He records every session and sends me a link to the video, with time codes for the key points he discussed. I come away from every session with specific actions to focus upon and execute between our sessions.

                      My one caveat about him is that his focus is playing hyper-exploitatively in fields of weak competitors. He doesn't touch upon GTO or balance. If you wish to progress past small-stakes weak-competition tournaments, you will likely need to graduate to someone else.

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                      • PokerShaman
                        PokerShaman commented
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                        I should add that I also get mental game "coaching" from my therapist, someone I have been working with for more than fifteen years. Over the past two or three, I have been walking him through Jared Tendler's framework for working on mental game issues so he and I can work together on them. But since he comes from outside of poker, I wouldn't call him a "poker coach."
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