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  • CrazyEddie
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    your $4000 cash game may be softer than $0.50 / $1.00 online... and you have the adv of getting 1 on 1 coaching

  • Vladutpoinariu97
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    jamtay317 the range you gave him is fitting for his style pretty much. I assume he called me in position trying to find a spot to steal the pot.

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  • jamtay317
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    My range was assuming that he was tight. A "normal" tight player should never have 89o in his range here. That said, a player that is loosing can spaz out. I'm assuming that is what happened here.

  • Vladutpoinariu97
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    Thank you very much guys for your warm welcome and for helping me with this hand, I really really appreciate it. I was pretty confident that I can not fold the river. This guy played only a few hands all the night and he showed only big cards, pocket pairs and suited connectors and he lost almost every hand, he is kind of a regular in this game at my local casino so that s why I classified him as being tight. In my opinion, I guess he called my pre flop raise because I played very few hands all the night due to the high rake in this 5/5 game (it is 3% but every hand you see the flop they take you extra $3 for the bad beat jackpot so in almost every small pot the rake is about 8-10%) so he probably thought he has position on me and he knew my range pretty well after I 3-Bet him so he can outplay me post flop. I am very grateful to find some nice guys here who are ready to help and discuss poker, and I am also happy to share with you all my experiences from the poker table and to help when needed.

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  • jamtay317
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    Vladutpoinariu97 Hello! and welcome to the forum!

    I will give you my opinion on this, then I will do and analysis of it.

    I like that you c-bet the flop, I just do not like the half-pot bet. I think that like a smaller c-bet because he is in the CO and the board isn't that coordinated. Yes, there are some flush draws but other than that you want to keep your opponent in with hands like A7s 88 99 TT JJ QQ AA(which I don't think that he has, being he didn't 4-bet preflop, but he could some portion of the time). so I overall like a $200 bet.

    When he raises you on the flop I would think that I like 4 betting here, he is clearly saying I have a hand that I like. I think that I would make it something like 1500(Edit: after reading through my post, 1500 is more than all in) here. and if he shoves we're not folding. Let's look at the math, here, in my opinion, he could have 77 44 and hands like AdKh, Axdd, AA and then some bad draw hands.

    if he folds well that's okay too you picked up a nice pot.

    so you call and the turn comes and its a Jd, and you check, I personally would lead here and bet big, for protection/value. Now, this changes the board texture a lot and the bord is very draw heavy. You want to charge them for their draws. if he shoves the turn you HAVE to call. yes, it sucks, but I'm not folding top set here.

    so it goes check-check and the river comes Ts.

    This is a terrible card, now all of the flush draws from the flop got there and all of the back door straights got there. I think I check and when he shoves, I think I throw up in my mouth and make the call.


    okay so this was my thought on it and now I will run this in Piosolver and Flopzilla.

    I gave him a range of something like this, it seems wide to me but I think that its reasonable(please correct me if you think this is wrong)

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    piosolver has us betting small with KK as you can see here.

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    after he raises here Piosolver has you moving all in here, I won't show this slide because the fourm only allows 5 slides.


    after you call the flop bet Pio has you donking here all in.
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    on the river after check-check on the turn Pio says to check KK here.

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    after you bet the river and he jams, pio has you calling.
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    so from what I see from this you should have 4bet all in on the flop, but to answer your question yes, you have to call the river.
    Last edited by jamtay317; 11-09-2019, 10:30 AM.

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  • CrazyEddie
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    I think that guy is a much better player .. best stay away.

  • CrazyEddie
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    I think your notion of "tight " is really a bad player.

    This guy definitely isn't tight. How does he know you don't have a flush ?? How you know he wouldn't raise flop with flush draw ??

    I don't like 3 bet jamming that flop. Image like that explains why he's onto you like this ...


    Last edited by CrazyEddie; 11-09-2019, 10:44 AM.

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  • RealJPB
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    Welcome to the forum. Agree with everything Peter said about your hand. He can definitely have sets and flush draws and you want to reraise most of the time here.

    You learned a lot about villain here if you play against him again. His call preflop is awful. His open over the straddle is pretty loose / bad on its own but then calling a 4x raise with 98o is hilariously bad. I’m just raising this guy’s opens purely for value never as a bluff until he shows me he’s learned how to fold.

    His post flop play is also pretty interesting. I would always just fold his hand to a cbet on the flop, but if you do decide to raise with nothing but backdoors the Jd is one of the best cards to keep bluffing and he doesn’t do it.

    Basically unless he was just having a bad night I’d consider downgrading him from medium good to not good. And one thing he definitely isn’t is tight.

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  • Vladutpoinariu97
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    Originally posted by 1Peter510 View Post
    I disagree with your thinking a decent good player doesn't raise a flush on that board. That is exactly what JL and the other coaches teach and what they say a good player will do (raise a flush draw as a semi bluff to balance out when he raises his sets there). I do agree that a decent good player should not have any flush draws on that board because your 3bet laid 10:1 implied odds and they know they need 20:1 to make the call with AXs and suited connectors.

    So your read that he likely has a set or air seems reasonable, but for a different reason than you gave.

    So, with your read that villain only has a PP here, you have the range and nut disadvantage on the flop and should bet infrequent and small. I would say bet like 150-200. You are trying to get called by 88-QQ. You would also do this with some of your diamond draws and maybe AA and AK.

    As played, I think you should have jammed the flop when he raised. Your read is he only has a set here, so you want to get all the chips in before a diamond hits and lets him off the hook with his set.
    Thank you for your justified answer, I totally agree, certainly I did a mistake not jamming the flop when he raised.

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  • 1Peter510
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    I disagree with your thinking a decent good player doesn't raise a flush on that board. That is exactly what JL and the other coaches teach and what they say a good player will do (raise a flush draw as a semi bluff to balance out when he raises his sets there). I do agree that a decent good player should not have any flush draws on that board because your 3bet laid 10:1 implied odds and they know they need 20:1 to make the call with AXs and suited connectors.

    So your read that he likely has a set or air seems reasonable, but for a different reason than you gave.

    So, with your read that villain only has a PP here, you have the range and nut disadvantage on the flop and should bet infrequent and small. I would say bet like 150-200. You are trying to get called by 88-QQ. You would also do this with some of your diamond draws and maybe AA and AK.

    As played, I think you should have jammed the flop when he raised. Your read is he only has a set here, so you want to get all the chips in before a diamond hits and lets him off the hook with his set.

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  • Vladutpoinariu97
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    Cash game hand $5/$5

    Hello everyone.
    It's my first post on FloatTheTurn forum so I apologize if I posted in the wrong place. I want to share a hand I had played 3 days ago in a cash game session which I guess I played wrong so I want to hear your point guys. In this moment, I have no peers who play poker so I decided to post it here.
    Blinds $5/$5 playing very deep, I got $4000 ( 800BB in front of me), I am in Big Blind with KcKs it was Straddle $20, It folds around to cutoff who was a medium-good tight player who played tight but who was capable of blufing when he knows he has the right image. He opens to $70 from the Cutoff, Button folds, Small Blind Folds, I 3-Bet to $280 everybody folds and he calls the 3-Bet so we are playing heads up. I got a very tight image at the table in that moment. He got in front of him around 400BB.
    Pot: $600
    Flop: Kd4c7d
    I c-bet $275 and he raised to $650. I thought for 2 minutes and I call. Pot is $1900
    Turn: Jd
    I check, he checks behind.
    River: Ts
    I bet $600 in $1900, he thinks for 1-2 minutes and goes all in for $1600. I called and he showed 8h9d giving him a straight and he won.
    My question is, did I played poorly? The way I thinked the hand was this way: he played tight and never called 3-Bets all the session with weak hands even with connected suited, after I 3-Bet him he looked at my stack probably to see if he got implied odds to call so on that flop I really thought his range are purely sets so I called to keep him in hand because I was almost sure that he wouldn t raise mw with a flushdraw on that board because he was a decent-good player.
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