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  • 1Peter510
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    One of Alex Fitzgerald's rules... never leave a move that caps your range. Always set up a turn bet in position and river bet OOP.

    It is all part of us learning together. Thanks for sharing the hand.

  • jamtay317
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    1Peter510 I've looked over this and the fact of the matter is I should have bet the turn and checked behind on the river. I'm trying to put together a range that makes sense and I'm finding that I am just lying to myself to make the numbers work. I think when that happens there is no doubt I should have bet the turn for value.

  • jamtay317
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    I will put together what my range may look like and post it here tonight. I probably should had bet turn checked river, But I will look this up tonight.

  • 1Peter510
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    jamtay317 I would be interested in seeing what your range looks like on the river here. Iso raise BTN, small flop bet, turn check back, small river bet. I am having a hard time thinking what my range would look like on that line.

    I agree with the 2 streets of value, but like reeeeper would have gone for the turn bet and bought the showdown.

  • reeeeeeper
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    You're in position, if you wanted two streets of value you can bet turn expecting a natural check-to-aggressor on the river and you can check behind. You get value from the draws that way, once you get to the river you can't get value from the misses or you simply lose if they hit. If he check-raises you on the turn it's unlikely to be a flush draw and you can just get away there if you need to.

    He had a gutshot and backdoor heart draw on the flop, he probably called planning to blast you off the pot if he didn't hit. After you check back turn and bet small river he knows he can and just turned his hand into a bluff. Also shows why considering player type is important, his line didn't make sense so it's either prime nuts or nothing. If he's very tight and trappy, it's most likely the nuts, since he's loose and aggressive, it's most likely nothing. It could still be the nuts, but this player is going to have way more bluffs.

  • MrFuss
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    I probably wouldnt be calling preflop with that combo in this scenario but the call on the flop is certainly pretty standard with the inside straight draw.

    And if villain is a smart thinking player then he should recognize that this flop and run out is really good for his range and really bad for yours. So when calling the flop he has a chance to hit the straight but also could be already thinking that if he misses he has a good chance to steal the pot by the river by putting a lot of pressure on you when you really shouldnt have any 6s in your range.
    Last edited by MrFuss; 11-07-2019, 03:12 PM.

  • jamtay317
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    I checked the turn to bet the river, I was thinking that I couldn't get 3 streets of value from a T. Then I bet the river with the intention of calling a "Normal" raise. Something like 3x. That said I did fold and he showed 87hh which I dont know how he called the flop jammed the river with that. But he did.

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  • MrFuss
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    Yeah there are no bluffs that makes sense however neither does his line. This play looks purely exploitative to me in which case math mostly goes out the window.

  • 1Peter510
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    If my math is right you are calling $240 to win $645 (37%). So, need to win 38%+ and have a bluff catcher. You don't block any flushes. I don't know if we can find 38% of villains range that is a bluff. I would fold and say good on him if he bluffed. If he was bluffing, you probably get to see it because he will want the pats on the back.

    What was your thought process for checking the turn and then betting the river when the backdoor flush came in?

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  • reeeeeeper
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    The line only makes sense for super nutted hands (boat+), and even those rarely check the river since you checked the turn, so since this is a very aggressive player I think you have to hero here. The only thing making me think that might be a mistake is that at 1/3 people very rarely bluff the river like this.
    Last edited by reeeeeeper; 11-07-2019, 12:41 PM.

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  • MrFuss
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    I find 1/3 to be a tricky game because you have a mix of good and bad players. It's always hard for me to range players unless I have a ton of experience with them. Since you label villain as LAG I assume he's a decent player with somewhat predictable ranges.

    Pretty tough for V to have a 6 when he flats the SB but he could have a few. Im also not sure V checks turn and river w/ big value hands like TT, 77, 89, 67 or a flush. Its a really big raise and he may be trying to push you off something marginal because of perceived weakness when you check turn and bet river small. If he is betting for value what hands is he trying to get called by...? Like exactly an over pair or maybe a flush if he's holding a full house?

    Nasty spot but against a LAG with a combo near the top of our range I think you have to begrudgingly call. The story his line tells just doesn't make much sense. If he checked a monster twice than good on him, make a note and move on with your life.

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  • jamtay317
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    Bet Fold here?

    I was playing 1/3 last night we were 100BB effective.

    Hand: QhQs..... Position: BTN

    2 limps LJ HJ I raise $15 SB(Very Lose aggressive player) call everyone else flop

    Flop: T66hcd
    I bet 20, SB call

    Turn: 7c
    We check

    River: 3c
    I bet 25, SB allin. HERO?
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