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    I know this topic can get a thousand different answers, but I am curious what most not only do for tipping, but also what others know about what is considered to the "norm".

    Most importantly for the following:

    1. Live Tournaments winning < $5,000

    2. Live Tournaments winning anywhere from $5k and up

    3. Live Cash games ranging from $1/$2 to $5/$10

    I consider myself to be an average to above average tipper.

    My local $175 buy in tournament has a $5 "players fee" and a $20 "admin" fee. I assume that the $5 "players" fee is distributed to the dealers as most tournaments withhold around 3% for the dealers.

    I have won anywhere from a min cash ($200) to first place ($4,000) and I always tip 1% of what I win. I assume the 4% total tip (my 1% + the withhold of 3%) is generous. I often see players tipping much more than me and it got me wondering.

    I rarely play cash, but have been adding some to my schedule when/if I bust from a tournament early.

    I have played $1/$3 and $2/$5 if the games are good. I typically tip $1 on hands that I win and if I think the dealer does a great job I may throw them an extra $1-$3 win they are finished.

    I have never won a bad beat jackpot or major tournament for 5 or 6 figures, but hopefully I run into this problem in the future. What do you tip if you win a considerable amount like $20k to $250K? Do you have a set % or does it matter how much you win?

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    1/2 cash games

    I do know that it is very hard to win consistently while tipping and having to pay the rake.
    I have read how the rake just kills the little guy.
    I will look for the article that prove the numbers.

    Personally I tip the very first hand that I win with a new dealer just to be on his/her good side
    but do not tip again unless I almost double up in a hand.

    Not to be a prude just trying to beat the rake.

    I have asked dealers about this and they have said they would rather deal a 1/2 game than a
    bigger stakes game because the smaller type guy will tip much more often.


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    Imagine you have ten guys who play in a home game. No rake. No bad beat jackpot. Just a nice home game.

    Every week these guys get together. They typically bring $100 each. Some win, some lose -- and everyone has a good time. Their only expense is beer and food -- and they typically spread that cost around from one person to the next each week.

    This is a special week, however. They decide to go for some casino poker -- just for a switch.

    They go to the casino, arrive at 2PM on a Saturday afternoon. They decide to play for a full 10 hours.

    Funny thing, though, is that when they arrive the floor person doesn't spread them among the other players. The other games are full, so they ask these guys if they'd like their own table. They say sure. They each buy in for $150each.

    The house rakes 10% with a maximum of $5 a pot plus a $1 bad beat jack pot deduction. At the end of ten hours of play, how much money do you think the house and the dealer have taken from their game?

    The house expects to make $10 an hour per player with a $4 maximum and without tips. When you increase that to $6, with the bad beat, that's a 50% increase -- even without the tips. Let's forget the tips -- just to be conservative. So the house is taking $150 an hour from the table. In ten hours the house has taken every single penny of these guys money -- $1,500!!!


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    • #3
      Luckily for me tipping is illegal in my jurisdiction. How good is that?

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      • #4
        Live MTT - 3% - 5%. If they already take 5% for dealer, I don't leave additional tip. If they take 3%, I add 2%.

        $1/$2 - $1 per pot win post flop, big pots I toss another $1 or $2 extra

        Tipping does increase your rake, but the dealers work for tips and it is part of the poker economy to tip them. Without dealers we have no game.
        Last edited by jjpregler; 02-24-2017, 08:45 PM.

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        • #5
          Tipping is interesting to me, as someone that worked in the service industry in the UK for a long time.

          Tipping the dealer in the UK is definitely not standard. In fact for a long time it was illegal. Maybe it is this culture that still pervades, with the older players not tipping out of it being their norm, and the younger players following the lead of the older players.

          When I started playing in the 80s it was customary for the winner of a MTT to leave a tip for the waiting staff. In fact I remember doing deals that included the waitresses tip in the share! However I can't remember the last time I saw this happen (maybe I need to win more MTTs ). I think most people now simply see the drinks as free and the rake paying for the service. It was a well known fact to me when I worked on the bars that a free bar at a party meant almost no tips unless the person whose party it was gave us a tip at the end.

          This does have an effect. I watch the streams of LaTB or WSOP and see middle aged dealers. You never see that in the UK. Dealing is not a valid career here. It might launch a career in casino management, but it is poorly paid and conditions also seem poor. We have young inexperienced dealers and a high turnover. This is obviously not ideal, but I am sure there would be a revolt at paying more rake to improve the dealers (and waitresses) conditions- even if it improved the quality of those staff.

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          • #6
            My impression is that tipping in tournaments and live games is a regional/national thing, just like tipping in restaurants, tipping maid service at hotels, or tipping for limos or taxis. How dealers are paid in casinos depends in part on what the local expectation is for tipping. In our casinos in Colorado, I think the dealers in a cash game generally expect a tip every hand from the winner, unless it is a heads up chop and the players lose money with the rake. The tip in a cash game is usually a minimum of $1 per hand, and it goes up if the pot is big. In a tournament, dealers typically expect somewhere between 5% and 8% from the profits of all net winners, although players who min cash often stiff the dealers. Some players tip 10% of profits in big Colorado tournaments, but that seems to be the upper end.

            It is a personal matter to decide whether you want to be at the upper end, at the lower end, or in the middle, on tipping generally, but as one friend said to me "tipping is one of the few places in life where I can be a high roller--I like to do it, and it makes other people happy." Nobody ever has to tip, so ultimately it is up to you, but if you have ever made a living from tips, you know that having the people that you serve tip in a way that comports with expectations can be hugely important to meeting your basic necessities in life.

            When in doubt, I would ask a sample of frequent winners at the local casino what the local expectations for tipping are.


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            • #7
              I usually throw staff $20 on my min cash's because, in general, I like them. In my larger cash's i'll take the tip to 10% up to $100. I've never cashed for more than $1500 so can't speak to bigger circumstances.

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              • #8
                You do really think that will work? As tipping seem illegal though can you shed some more light on the topic...anyway you can visit us to get a more brief solution?

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